Rich BH Lady Ordination Sing Whole Books

 Dear Randal:

 

Yes! Tithing solves many problems. If/as/when the Spirit of exnihilation (ennihilation, Pastor Meyers) leaves the Eccles Building (Federal Reserve) we should be ready. How can we/churches get ready. Start small?

 

Chuck (shalak)

And now to 3 short things today, all in response to Rich's comment that Lady Ordination (sexual incorrectness in church) leads to cultural sexual incorrectness.

 

1--Worried about 'world government'?  Frear not--Christ has all authority, Act like it!

2--Paul Johnson has a sweet telling

of the story of Calvinism and Coca-Cola in his 'History of the American People.

3--Total Bible Saturation. JBJ says we need it ('Crisis, Opportunity and the Christian Future') One way would be by singing whole books of the Bible. I limn this in 'Singing Galatians' earlier on this forum. Why is this important? a--Oddly, God made the whole world be speech. Singing is glorified speech. God will make us, and does make us, by His Word ('breathed out') in books. Catechisms and Confessions are good, but not sufficient.  This can easily be done in a year, using JBJ's 49-book Bible. See 'Rethinking the Order of the Old Testament' on

biblicalhorizons.com.

Some will say, wow! Leviticus. But I have seen a diagram of Leviticus that is a mountain, peaking at Day of Atonement. 2 John is 13 verses, but deals with antichrists already here, and defines them at its center.

 

Love in King Jesus,

 

 

Chuck (shalak)

Rich: Musin in liturgy is Causative, culture downstread BH

 Dear Rich:

I continue with causative liturgy, downstream culture, following you Lady's Ordination is sexual error, causing sexual error in cluture.

1--Rhyming is good, but not sufficient. Check wikipedia on 'Rhyming' for its historical place.

2--The Bible unifies by number, by acrostics, etc.

a. For instance, the New Jerusalem Bible (Roman Catholic) translates Psalm 25 as an acrostic in English, as it was in Hebrew.

How could we sing an acrostic? Line out. Have the cantor or elder sing first, and we sing the same thing back. 'Aleph' A line of Psalm 25. Beth. The second line.

3--Let's take a lectionary reading. Most would have significant mentions/use of certain concepts/words. We could (horror of horrors) have one of the Psalm 150 instruments, or a drum, and play that instrument before each.

4--Let's take a Psalm. JBJ has translated them--alas, I did not keep mine well--with number/word/concept

bolding. He also arranged the structure. This would teach our children (aren't we?), especially if we had this sequence: instrument, Hebrew (transliterate) English (or other tribal language) I wish I had studied Chinese!

5--Keep the hymns. I've heard sermons using the hymn. But honor The Word by singing it as it was written.

 

Chuck (shalak)

PS: Maybe next is the question of where evangelism is to be done.

PPS: Psalm 117 (with 150:6) has 5 commands to praise, 6 praisers, and 7 Praised. The line/words commanding praise--put them on the top 3 notes, praiser in the center, and Praised in the bottom 3 notes of the octave. THE TWELVE is wonderfully not arranged chronologically, and can be so played on 12 notes and half notes.

Rich 'passing the plate' economies of the world Lady's Ordination

 Rich:

What does it do to the economies of the world when we 'pass the plate'?

Pastors should study and teach--not necessarily preach: That's mostly one of the assurances (with cleanse and commune)-- this passing the plate as a parallel economy of voluntaryism.

One might read Creveld's 'The Rise and Decline of the State' along with '4th Generation Warfare'

The key thing now is Rosenstock's 'Universal History 1954' about small enthusiastic groups being the key for the next 1000 years in his chiasm of history. JBJ mentions tribes in 'Crisis, Opportunity and the Christian   Future'.

We ARE the ever new society. We should know it and act like it (3rd Word).

One of the footnotes in Peter Leithart's 'The End of Protestantism' tells of a book describing the centuries of battle between the state-adherents and the church, cities, and aristocracy.

Conclusion: Yes, 'heave' the money up. God gives it back to us to do his will, whether it be Confederate money, Weimar inflation money, bitcoin, or dollars, or partially gold-backed BRICS stuff.

Chuck (shalak)

PS: Gilder's "Life after Capitalism' is good. I remember superabundance (that we work far less in time of goods) as '11 bicycles'. We can buy 11 bicycles now for the time we worked then for one. Also MIGW. Money is time (who is the Lord of time, he doesn't ask), Information is surprise, Growth is learning, and wealth is knowledge. This should enthuse ministers of the Word!  https://www.amazon.com/Life-after-Capitalism-George-Gilder/dp/1684512247/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2UG2AUZZ3MWFC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._W91H1npCchzjW-jWwVZs2w0NyydqSmbMefwdc4SQR_5kkaMAph-3GSk_09-y0V96wfQnvBnzs3_t9-zZ8oslHqSi8Qh2Z3iUrDo-oUe_0dgLQaqNHLys0roHZiaWyET1xg00WfiM-v5vUbA6B7t4egkr-lfI10zH6nPLc3e3EMKYvS_-G5RcOKp1qwOTFzH.6LO4nZr7KWw-ztNaHXKvLpG2XLEKJ0cCdP--yi5N-hI&dib_tag=se&keywords=george+gilder+life+after+capitalism&qid=1723050633&sprefix=George+Gilder%2Caps%2C431&sr=8-1

Strangeness 3 Bob Cook

 Dear Robert Cook

Here's why there's so much strangeness--3 reasons

1--New technology. We have a lot of it. From one-room country schools, to Khan Academy in my lifetime. And Rosenstock (FREE Dartmouth courses, transcripts and audio at www.erhfund.org) says any new technology increases space (I'm somehow working with African pastors on Facebook) decreases the time it takes but destroys old groups.
2--We're in the Fifth Wave of information according to Gurri in 'The Revolt of the Public' written befor Trump and Brexit. First Wave was wirting, second alphabet, so this is BIG. Add 'confirmation bias', that one can find easily others who agree.
3--So, since in Jeremiah Time I've done the 'plot of land'--The Next Thousand Years book--and the jeremiads (when you die, soon, you will be judged (Eschatological Evangelism) what I'm concentrating now on is working the the old home town. a--Self-sufficient in vegetables, b--microgrid for energy, c--old cars (EMP my be false, but...). And I'd promote 'the chess of pocket billiards'.

Chuck (shalak)

Liturgy Causative Money

 Yes, Rich. Here is the first of many: money. (I'll tie it up with liturgy at the end)

Ex-Senator Santorum (won Iowa caucus one year) has proposed 'cathio' and alternative currency to run the Roman Catholic organization. 

1. The Rick Santorum-backed coin for Catholics - Financial Times

   
   

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   Santorum is sitting on the advisory board of a company and soon-to-be digital coin (stablecoin, specifically) called Cathio.

    

   This seems wise to consider, given the situation.

    

   2--Some organization of monks became very financially powerful in the 'Middle Ages' by remaining poor, but providing services to pilgrims.

3--George Gilder, in 'The Scandal of Money' quotes a scholar who says that the elimination of the warfare economy in these uSA 1945-7 would be the equivalent of the total elimination of the US government today. An optimistic view of this is in the book 'The End is Near, and It's Going to be Awesome'.

 

4--We already do things with the money of collection, such as transforming that through daily activities into bread and wine.

5--A "Kennedy Half-Dollar' is now worth about 9x, or $4.50.

Tying it all together, a relatively voluntary economy (dispensation on some old tomes) exists, wand has existed, that takes various languages (media of exchange) and puts them to good use. Most liturgies have collections. We don't know what we are doing and why, too often. It's a teaching moment, outside.

 

Next: Tent meeting evangelism, or renewal.

 

Love in King Jesus,

Chuck (shalak)

PS: This is a good topic. We have leverage, as you say, culture is downstream.

Rich Lady Ordination 2

 Rich Bledsoe had previously opined that cultural sexual perversion all started with sexual errors in the church, especially lady ordination.

I replied that this was VERY important. Rich thanked me.

Then I wrote: Dear Rich:

 

One could ask this question:  What are the good and bad things in culture, and how are they caused by liturgical errors?

 'Judgment begins at the house of God'

One could also ask this question:  What are the errors in liturgy, and what bad thing do they cause in culture? And vice versa--what good things are caused by good worship?

 

I have lists.

 

I don't want to end this conversation.

 

'I will fight on this front if it takes...' Grant.

 

Chuck 'liturgical miximalist' Hartman

PS: What are on YOUR lists?

Gallant Christmas Hymns

 You might try unifying acrostically: Psalm 25, Proverbs 31, Psalm 119.

(I know the form of rhyming is...postmillennial.)

You could also do something chiastic, with 7, 10, or 12 concepts (Cascione, 'Repetition) with directions t the singers to strike/play an instrument when one of the concepts is voiced.

Direct quotes from the Bible which tend toward the event would be good.

Bethlehem=house of bread manger=to eat in French