Transubstantiation: Sunshine

 Glenn Sunshine

.From Aristotle: A thing is substance and accidents.
The priest's words, allegedly, change the substance (transubstantiation) and leave the accidents.

Chuck

Trump: Think big, watch downside

 20th C.'s best books, Trump 'Art of Deal': Think big, watch downside.

That's it so far.
Chuck
PS: These are YOUR recommendations.

Barfield 'Saving the Appearances'

 What I have so far of Barfield is that original participation is paganism, and that final participation is leading to being 'in Christ', and that this develops in the history of thought.

What else?
Thanks.
Chuck
Page  13 of 'Saving the Appearances'--please expound? Thanks

Leithart '...Elements..." Pressure Points

 

Dr. Leithart asks on page 281of'Delivered from the Elements' this question:  'What are the pressure points?'
He writes books and chairs Theopolis. Books are one pressure point.Many are pastors.  That might be a pressure point, were one to be able to inspire an oddball.
A key pressure point would be to live in the Spirit'. (Dr. Leithart) There are many others--who has had someone grab him and want to join 'the church'? (Zechariah)
Both Sam Walton and Mao use 'Go' principles.This book was much cheaper when I read it 50+ years ago. 'The Protracted Game' analyzes Mao's strategy as like 'Go' the game--not chess or checkers. But wasn't the early church (3% growth per year--Stark) a city thing?
I await  your responses to Galatianization.

Chuck
https://www.amazon.com/Protracted-Game-Interpretation-Revolutionary-Strategy/dp/0195014936/ref=sr_1_2?crid=HRP31OJIQD6M&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.y0HQa2R0M-Pr_j9s7sMCwZvrskCQQFkNWL_AosCWEByVHhLjSxHlhTBJS2mA8IRF8sLArJY13gfHbbSy_x97IOisUi3FyNVaIyr1FvTqdcr4eYn9gz2o6AeIgx2C6rTWWRblyFI9p6_hrH3nG1WhDGtjan9Ts1C6tvJBgDMySuhOn3uSG_7ypzc0h0KUajs-bL09sKYtbA5SwRh9SEAlWc8yS4wRXoTCOtufzh17RJo.vYWHUIEf7iCt9l-mVT_UoGJ0z9GYwVbjtyCZ8TthFiA&dib_tag=se&keywords=protracted+game&qid=1709058896&sprefix=Protracted+Ga%2Caps%2C756&sr=8-2

Best Introduction to Rosenstock-Huessy

 

Best intro to ERH: The central insight of speech thinking is that speech or language is not merely, or even primarily, a descriptive act, but a responsive and creative act which is the basis of our social existence.[1] Gardner's  'Beyond Belief' chapter 5 is good--outlines the changes in the Revolutions of  the West. Almost all his stuff is at www.erhfund.ore, free transcripts and audio of lectures. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is good. There's an ERH discussion group, Norman Fiering (sp?). Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy - Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

plato.stanford.edu/entries/rosenstock-huessy

Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy. Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy (1888–1973) was a sociologist and social philosopher who, along with his close friend Franz Rosenzweig, and Ferdinand Ebner and Martin Buber, was a major exponent of speech thinking or dialogicism. The central insight of speech thinking is that speech or language is not merely, or even . Leithart: I Respond Though I Shall Be Changed: Essays on the Thought of Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy:

https://athanasiuspress.org/products/i-respond-though-i-shall-be-changed-essays-on-the-thought-of-eugen-rosenstock-huessy

Priest Law Lyric Evaluation Fact

 This week is the week to create small enthusiastic groups in the Garden/church/priest area in the categories of Law, Lyric, Evaluation, and Fact unto the next thousand years.

North/Rosenstock-Huessy February 24

 Both died on February 24.

Debs on Oct. 20.

Chuck

Most Important Sound of 20th c.--2nd attempt

 Most Important Sound of 20th c.--2nd attempt

Later I'll do sight, taste, touch--maybe individual, institution, ideas, invention?

1--Reacher, tanks rumbling down city streets
2--Rosenstock, page 70 of 'Out of Revolution' numbers

Chuck

Sound of 20th C.?

 OK, what's the most important sound of the 20th C.?

Reacher says, 'Tanks rumbling down city streets'.

Chuck

What groups have been destroyed?

 This week's (sheba's) question: What groups have been destroyed?

Rosenstock held that any new technology increases one's spatial reach, reduces the time it takes to do something, and destroys old groups.

Since we've had much new technology in recent decades, what groups have been destroyed? 
Chuck

Chiasms all the way up

 Chiasms all the way up

While re-reading 'Out of Revolution' I had the thought that if the last 1000 years went backward from old Papal Revolution to adolescent Russian revolutionaries, and backward from end time to matter in motion/Genesis 1:1, then this is one center of a chiasm, now that we can see this 'iron law of history' and Bible, and so...

we'll have another such center of a chiasm in A. D. 3020, and it'll be 'chiasms in chiasms and including chiasms all the way up'.

Trying culture Beatific Harmony, Keyboard of History, etc. Send me your email at edencity@aol.com The Next Thousand Years A Prayer Re: 'Out of Revolution' it's chiasms all the way up

Most important book of 20th C.?

 Most important book of 20th C.?

Mises Institute suggests 'Human Action'.
What say you?
Chuck

Children speak reverse speech first. David Oates

 FWIW. Children speak reverse speech FIRST. (He has recordings!)

Could have pastoral implications, re: chiasm.  But in learning languages, the mind of a child is more plastic.
If/Since 'reverse speech' is metaphoric, if early ideographs before alphabet were metaphoric, Ezra Pound's view that Babel was a change of language types...hmm?

I'll  post more. David Oates' 'Reverse Speech' on Kindle.
Chuck edencity@aol.com

Last 40 years #3

 Expensive. Read with Leithart's 'End of Protestantism' footnote about how advocates of 'state' waged a centuries-long campaign against cities, church, and aristocracy. https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Decline-State-Martin-Creveld/dp/0521651905/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3EYAHR6ESLH6I&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tvdMInO0SG1r_oQ2mNukNg.TCRchRmHUOq0ANgdY9I58UfQG0BrSe9-_m-dnC8Yp38&dib_tag=se&keywords=Creveld+Rise+and+Decline+of+the+State&qid=1708024212&sprefix=creveld+rise+and+decline+of+the+state%2Caps%2C435&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.d977788f-1483-4f76-90a3-786e4cdc8f10

Creveld 'Rise and Decline of the State'

Past 40 years Gurri

 OK.

I'll name one--Gurri.  https://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Public-Crisis-Authority-Millennium/dp/1732265143/ref=sr_1_1?crid=SWX0BNUDXZLH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.L1xwQKCg2PkgF2Isls2epA.WV8-V25i9ZMHhAJlxfYm8NHvFPQj7s2MwQ3WlSa_RCk&dib_tag=se&keywords=gurri+revolt+of+the+public&qid=1707935269&sprefix=Gurri+Revolt%2Caps%2C1066&sr=8-1

He claims we're in the Fifth Wave of information. Some recent years have seen a doubling. Like unto #1--Writing, #2--Alphabet

Chuck

Transcendence The Past 4 Years

 The previous 40 years--what key newness?

This is part of the last 7 weeks of the coram (celebration of resurrection anno mundi) I know it's a pun
That s the key Transcendent newness of the past 40 years?
After we determine that, we'll investigate what groups are being thus destroyed. (ERH: any new technology increase the space, decreases the time, and destroys old groups) This could be done by persons, ideas, institutions...
So, far TH. EEE is the four new small enthusiastic groups respectively in Garden Land World.
Oath forms these groups, and
S tells what do\\to do next.
Thus THEEEOS, per Bull and North.

The questions are:  What are the Transcendent (I like transcendance) changes is the past 40 years?

I'll tell you mine later. For now, what do you propose?
Yes, this is a calendar of culture, not church (Quinquegesima) And there's more!!

Chuck

Early Days For Languages

 Early Days For Languages

 

1—JBJ says we’ll learn languages—God is word, Languages—in Heaven.

2—Leithart (‘Solomon Among the Post Moderns’) says the English sentence was ‘recently’ (1000 years) invented, and punctuation was a lot for music.

3—Hebrew had no spaces between words, no vowels, etc. 5/6 of the Bible. Recent.

4—JBJ says Hebrew was mostly voices (modes, stems). Few tenses

5—Oates (‘Reverse Speech’) has recordings of infants first, first, recordings, speaking backward, in Reverse Speech.

6—Some languages go left to right, others right to left, some up and down.

7—Revolutions beget are begotten by new words, names—Rosenstock.

8—It’s early days. ERH has history going backward through Bible (tart Gregory VII) and through person’s ages (end, Soviet adolescent) and history (start, Aquinas and Aristotle).

Oates and Rosenstock 2

 p. 714 of "Out...'. Oates bemoans  lack of interest in reverse speech. His latest book will have a map of metaphors.

David Oates He died in 1973, said his material would not come into prominence for 70 years. David Oates This might be helpful. the 'giant' of thought, Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy (left Germany1933, taught at Harvard ad Dartmouth) on page 714 of 'Out of Revolution' shows the history of Western Man (male and female) autobiographically, as retracing the stages of a person's life. He also doe something similar with Aquinas/Aristotle. Renaissance/Plato, Erasmus/St. Socrates, Nietzsche/Pre-Socratics, and I suppose backward to 14.5 billion and before. All his Dartmouth audio lectures and transcripts are at www.erhfund.org.

Oates and Rosenstock

 p. 714 "out...' David Oates He died in 1973, said his material would not come into prominence for 70 years. David Oates This might be helpful. the 'giant' of thought, Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy (left Germany1933, taught at Harvard ad Dartmouth) on page 714 of 'Out of Revolution' shows the history of Western Man (male and female) autobiographically, as retracing the stages of a person's life. He also doe something similar with Aquinas/Aristotle. Renaissance/Plato, Erasmus/St. Socrates, Nietzsche/Pre-Socratics, and I suppose backward to 14.5 billion and before. All his Dartmouth audio lectures and transcripts are at www.erhfund.org.

Short: Prepping for Heaven

 Short: Prepping for heaven

Jim says ('From Bread to Wine') that we'll learn a lot of languages, God is language, etc.

1--Hebrew is voices.
2--punctuation was singing help, sentence was invented (Peter: 'Solomon'). A book referenced
3--Oates says speech reversal uses metaphors for deep stuff.
4--Chinese uses tones (see 2)
5--Beatific Harmony

Love in King Jesus,

Chuck 'early days' Hartman
PS: Remdesivir screwed up one of 4 pairs in brain that makes me less tactful. But I'm alive and 'still crazy' says brother-in-law.

10 years, 100,000 churches, 1 million baptized: 'Contagious Disciple Making'

 10 years, 100,000 churches, 1 million baptized: 'Contagious Disciple Making'

Compare Howard Bloom's explorers and consolidators all throughout the universe

Rich: Free Cities?

 How do they fit into your views?

'The core difference between the Free City model and the status quo is in the Free City model, government is a service provider which competes with other entities to attract residents and enterprises.' (Charles Hugh Smith)
https://free-cities.org/
Rich: Free Cities? Free cities,  along with aristocracy, the church, etc. were among those that 'the state' adherents needed to best.

Love in King Jesus,
Chuck

Improved Gurri

 Host A 12020 Crisis of Age Gurri

 

We should be working on this—a new unified theory for these times—Issachar. (I forgot that JBJ has indicated that the Ursprache used nodes, stems, voices (From Bread to Wine) , and that the English sentence was invented historically recently (Leithart: ‘Solomon Among the Postmoderns’)

 

Start with this: Gurri’s ‘The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium’ https://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Public-Crisis-Authority-Millennium/dp/1732265143/ref=sr_1_1?crid=6Z6AQXFBB2ZR&keywords=gurri+revolt+of+the+public&qid=1707014305&sprefix=Gurri+Revo%2Caps%2C1753&sr=8-1

 

Gurri says we are in the Fifth Wave of information, like unto writing (First Wave) and alphabet (Second Wave). In some recent years the amount of information available has doubled. North: ‘The internet is the great decentralizer’ (paraphrase).

 

I’ll try to keep this short. There’s MUCH more that can be said.

 

Nation-State and University are failing.

 

Briefly, I propose, based on Rosenstock’s Dartmouth course ‘Universal History 1954’ and Jordan’s work on the ‘Old Testament’ that we should be composing Beatific Harmony. Principia Operatica, The Next Thousand Years A Prayer. God Trinity has composed an Opera of History, persons, acting, singing. We should likewise respond. It will take many generations.

 

1—JBJ’s 49-book Bible. biblicalhorizons » No. 80: Rethinking the Order of the Old ...

biblicalhorizons.com/biblical-horizons/no-80...

The purpose of this essay is "to boldly go where few have gone before," and open the possibility that there is another, more definitive order to the Old Testament canon, one that can be discerned from the text itself, which is superior to both the Hebrew and the Greek Canons. A Biblico-Theological Canon.

 

2—Liturgy written on the year. (Note: My work is SUPPPLEMENTAL to church years, lectionaries, etc.It emphasizes Culture, the World History.

 

3—The song of each book. Cascione’s ‘Hebrew Cadence’ helps, as do the outlines in Bullinger’s ‘Companion Bible’. I’ve done something with The Twelve (minor prophets) and Psalm 117. What JBJ sent to his monthly donors, translations of the Psalms, would help.

 

4—Our response in song. Using keyboard of history, and B R SH T as a proto-liturgy to go with Acts 2:42 is as far as I have been able to go so far, in my 2 years of physical debility.

 

5—Twelve small enthusiastic groups, 4 each in Garden, Land, World. Use JBJ’s 4 (Law, Lyric, Evaluation, Fact) and Rosenstock’s (ERH’s)—imperative, Subjective, Narrative, Objective.’s) 4HHHH

 

Work on something such as this. Email edencity@aol.com and I’ll email you back what I have so Far.

 

Love in King Jesus,

Chuck

Gurri Crisis ofAge

 Host A 12020 Crisis of Age Gurri

 

We should be working on this—a new unified theory for these times—Isssachar.

 

Start with this: Gurri’s ‘The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium’ https://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Public-Crisis-Authority-Millennium/dp/1732265143/ref=sr_1_1?crid=6Z6AQXFBB2ZR&keywords=gurri+revolt+of+the+public&qid=1707014305&sprefix=Gurri+Revo%2Caps%2C1753&sr=8-1

 

Gurri says we are in the Fifth Wave of information, like unto writing (First Wave) and alphabet (Second Wave). In some recent years the amount of information available has doubled. North: ‘The internet is the great decentralizer’ (paraphrase).

 

I’ll try to keep this short. There’s MUCH more that can be said.

 

Nation-State and University are failing.

 

Briefly, I propose, based on Rosenstock’s Dartmouth course ‘Universal History 1954’ and Jordan’s work on the ‘Old Testament’ that we should be composing Beatific Harmony.

 

Principia Operatica, The Next Thousand Years A Prayer.

 

God Trinity has composed an Opera of History, persons, acting, singing. We should likewise respond. It will take many generations.

 

1—JBJ’s 49-book Bible. biblicalhorizons » No. 80: Rethinking the Order of the Old ...

biblicalhorizons.com/biblical-horizons/no-80...

The purpose of this essay is "to boldly go where few have gone before," and open the possibility that there is another, more definitive order to the Old Testament canon, one that can be discerned from the text itself, which is superior to both the Hebrew and the Greek Canons. A Biblico-Theological Canon.

 

2—Liturgy written on the year. (Note: My work is SUPPPLEMENTAL to church years, lectionaries, etc.It emphasizes Culture, the World History.

 

3—The song of each book. Cascione’s ‘Hebrew Cadence’ helps, as do the outlines in Bullinger’s ‘Companion Bible’. I’ve done something with The Twelve (minor prophets) and Psalm 117. What JBJ sent to his monthly donors, translations of the Psalms, would help.

 

4—Our response in song. Using keyboard of history, and B R SH T as a proto-liturgy to go with Acts 2:42 is as far as I have been able to go so far, in my 2 years of physical debility.

 

5—Twelve small enthusiastic groups, 4 each in Garden, Land, World. Use JBJ’s 4 (Law, Lyric, Evaluation, Fact) and Rosenstock’s (ERH’s)—imperative, Subjective, Narrative, Objective.’s) 4HHHH

 

Work on something such as this. Email edencity@aol.com and I’ll email you back what I have so Far.

 

Love in King Jesus,

Chuck